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Warp 3 intermittent hang on boot?
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dave
2007-06-12 16:00:29 UTC
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Hello,

I have a problem with a machine with OS2 Warp3. Intermittently from boot it
will hang with only a blinking cursor at the top left of the screen. This
is after the bios screen but before the color OS2/WARP screen pops up. If I
hit ctrl/alt/del it will usually boot ok. Sometimes I have to hit
ctrl/alt/del a few times but I can always get it to boot. This is not the
only machine I have seen this on. Anything I should be looking at? Os2ldr
file maybe? A disk driver issue?

Thanks,
DaveL
Peter Brown
2007-06-12 16:56:26 UTC
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Hi Dave
Post by dave
Hello,
I have a problem with a machine with OS2 Warp3. Intermittently from
boot it will hang with only a blinking cursor at the top left of the
screen. This is after the bios screen but before the color OS2/WARP
screen pops up. If I hit ctrl/alt/del it will usually boot ok.
Sometimes I have to hit ctrl/alt/del a few times but I can always get it
to boot. This is not the only machine I have seen this on. Anything I
should be looking at? Os2ldr file maybe? A disk driver issue?
Thanks,
DaveL
I've seen something similar with various OSes when the hard drive is
starting to fail; in 1 instance it was a scsi controller failing.

In the early stages of failure the disk only fails during a cold boot,
not during a warm reboot - something to do with disk spinup and BIOS not
getting a response from the disk I suspect.

Yes, Ctrl-Alt-Del during a failed boot could constitute a warm reboot as
the disk is already up and spinning.

Warp3 suggests an older system so it is worth checking the age of the
disk and checking for a replacement disk suitable for the system.


The next step in disk failure is usually the whatever OS desktop gui
seizing up for no apparent reason and the time with a useable desktop
between seizures decreases fairly rapidly until finally the disk no
longer works.

Yes, it has happened to various systems over the years here :-(

Hopefully I am wrong and it is something more trivial - but you may want
to get some backups organised just in case :-)


Regards

Pete
dave
2007-06-12 17:02:49 UTC
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Thanks for the reply, Peter.

I left out some things I have already done. Sorry. I have already replaced
the drive. I ghosted it over to a new one. It's a two ide drive system.
First drive has os and data. Second drive has only data. So not a failing
drive. Could be the boot sector on drive not loading?

DaveL
Post by Peter Brown
Hi Dave
Post by dave
Hello,
I have a problem with a machine with OS2 Warp3. Intermittently from boot
it will hang with only a blinking cursor at the top left of the screen.
This is after the bios screen but before the color OS2/WARP screen pops
up. If I hit ctrl/alt/del it will usually boot ok. Sometimes I have to
hit ctrl/alt/del a few times but I can always get it to boot. This is
not the only machine I have seen this on. Anything I should be looking
at? Os2ldr file maybe? A disk driver issue?
Thanks,
DaveL
I've seen something similar with various OSes when the hard drive is
starting to fail; in 1 instance it was a scsi controller failing.
In the early stages of failure the disk only fails during a cold boot, not
during a warm reboot - something to do with disk spinup and BIOS not
getting a response from the disk I suspect.
Yes, Ctrl-Alt-Del during a failed boot could constitute a warm reboot as
the disk is already up and spinning.
Warp3 suggests an older system so it is worth checking the age of the disk
and checking for a replacement disk suitable for the system.
The next step in disk failure is usually the whatever OS desktop gui
seizing up for no apparent reason and the time with a useable desktop
between seizures decreases fairly rapidly until finally the disk no longer
works.
Yes, it has happened to various systems over the years here :-(
Hopefully I am wrong and it is something more trivial - but you may want
to get some backups organised just in case :-)
Regards
Pete
Lars Erdmann
2007-06-13 00:01:20 UTC
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Post by dave
Thanks for the reply, Peter.
I left out some things I have already done. Sorry. I have already
replaced the drive. I ghosted it over to a new one. It's a two ide
drive system. First drive has os and data. Second drive has only data.
So not a failing drive. Could be the boot sector on drive not loading?
DaveL
I rather think you will need to update your Warp3 installation CD-ROM to
the latest level (or your already existing system) if not done already.
There have been so many fixes to the kernel (OS2KRNL) and boot loader
(OS2LDR) to catch timing problems due to faster and faster CPU and HW
and also DANIS506.ADD in the most recent version (1.7.10) has numerous
enhancements and fixes to cope with modern Chipsets and IDE drives.

Lars
William L. Hartzell
2007-06-13 00:18:05 UTC
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Post by dave
Thanks for the reply, Peter.
I left out some things I have already done. Sorry. I have already
replaced the drive. I ghosted it over to a new one. It's a two ide
drive system. First drive has os and data. Second drive has only data.
So not a failing drive. Could be the boot sector on drive not loading?
DaveL
Post by Peter Brown
Hi Dave
Post by dave
Hello,
I have a problem with a machine with OS2 Warp3. Intermittently from
boot it will hang with only a blinking cursor at the top left of the
screen. This is after the bios screen but before the color OS2/WARP
screen pops up. If I hit ctrl/alt/del it will usually boot ok.
Sometimes I have to hit ctrl/alt/del a few times but I can always get
it to boot. This is not the only machine I have seen this on.
Anything I should be looking at? Os2ldr file maybe? A disk driver
issue?
Thanks,
DaveL
I've seen something similar with various OSes when the hard drive is
starting to fail; in 1 instance it was a scsi controller failing.
In the early stages of failure the disk only fails during a cold boot,
not during a warm reboot - something to do with disk spinup and BIOS
not getting a response from the disk I suspect.
Yes, Ctrl-Alt-Del during a failed boot could constitute a warm reboot
as the disk is already up and spinning.
Warp3 suggests an older system so it is worth checking the age of the
disk and checking for a replacement disk suitable for the system.
The next step in disk failure is usually the whatever OS desktop gui
seizing up for no apparent reason and the time with a useable desktop
between seizures decreases fairly rapidly until finally the disk no
longer works.
Yes, it has happened to various systems over the years here :-(
Hopefully I am wrong and it is something more trivial - but you may
want to get some backups organised just in case :-)
Run Dfsee (on Hobbes) and use its fix the drive functions. That should
fix any boot sector or geometry problems (do it on both drives). IF the
problem still persist, then you have a failing component on the main
board or a power supply problem. We assume that you've applied all
available service to the system.
--
Bill
Thanks a Million!
Baden Kudrenecky
2007-06-12 23:58:29 UTC
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Hi Dave:

Do the system have the newest LDR and drivers from
Dani? The other potential is that it is waiting for a
network connection until it times out. Wait a few
minutes and see.

Baden
Post by dave
Hello,
I have a problem with a machine with OS2 Warp3. Intermittently from boot it
will hang with only a blinking cursor at the top left of the screen. This
is after the bios screen but before the color OS2/WARP screen pops up. If I
hit ctrl/alt/del it will usually boot ok. Sometimes I have to hit
ctrl/alt/del a few times but I can always get it to boot. This is not the
only machine I have seen this on. Anything I should be looking at? Os2ldr
file maybe? A disk driver issue?
Thanks,
DaveL
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Michael Lueck
2007-06-13 01:37:45 UTC
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Post by dave
I have a problem with a machine with OS2 Warp3. Intermittently from
boot it will hang with only a blinking cursor at the top left of the
screen. This is after the bios screen but before the color OS2/WARP
screen pops up.
Sounds like the classic bug with fast CPU's. I have not heard of a work around for Warp 3. Did Danis cook something up that is compatible with Warp 3?
--
Michael Lueck
Lueck Data Systems
http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/
Guido Hörster
2007-06-13 11:30:12 UTC
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Post by Michael Lueck
Sounds like the classic bug with fast CPU's. I have not heard of a work
around for Warp 3. Did Danis cook something up that is compatible with
Warp 3?
Installing with cache disabled and then applying FP40 usually works for me.
Steve Wendt
2007-06-14 02:23:19 UTC
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Post by Guido Hörster
Installing with cache disabled and then applying FP40 usually works for me.
An alternative to disabling the cache is removing testcfg.sys and apm.sys.
Philip Nienhuis
2007-06-13 20:51:34 UTC
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Post by dave
Hello,
I have a problem with a machine with OS2 Warp3. Intermittently from
boot it will hang with only a blinking cursor at the top left of the
screen. This is after the bios screen but before the color OS2/WARP
screen pops up. If I hit ctrl/alt/del it will usually boot ok.
Sometimes I have to hit ctrl/alt/del a few times but I can always get it
to boot. This is not the only machine I have seen this on. Anything I
should be looking at? Os2ldr file maybe? A disk driver issue?
I recognize this same behaviour from Warp 3 Connect (FP40) on my
Libretto 110 mini-laptop (now decommissioned). IIRC it often happened on
warm reboots, and (especially, of course :-) ) after rebooting from Win2K.
A full power cycle usually helped.

IMO the "classic bug with fast CPUs" couldn't be the problem, as the Lib
has a modest 233 MHz CPU & I never experienced this getting-hung-problem
with the same Warp 3 stuff running on an AthlonXP 1600+ system.

The fact that it hung after warm reboots made me suspect uninitialized
variables somewhere (kernel loader? BIOS (not quite improbable)? boot
manager? IDE ctlr?); but then again, who am I.....

Perhaps a sysinstx <boot drive>: (from os2\install\bootdisk\, or maybe
better use gt2gbw3.zip from Hobbes) helps (renews the boot stuff). Or a
reinstallation of the boot manager. Just a WAG....

Philip
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