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trap when installing OS/2 within VMWare?
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Stephane Charette
2007-05-30 06:21:13 UTC
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After many years away, I'd like to setup OS/2 on one of my systems to
play around. I have VMWare server 1.0.3 installed -- the latest free
version of VMWare. Host OS is Ubuntu 7.04 on one computer, and
Windows XP on a different computer. In both cases, I cannot get past
disk #2 (third disk) from my Warp 4 installation. I always get a trap
shortly after the bootup splash screen. I've now tried OS/2 Warp 4,
Warp 4.52, and eCS v1.2.1.

For eCS, the trap is in ibm1s506 or the Dani driver (depending on
which one I select from the eCS boot menu), or ...os2krnl I think?
I'd have to try again and record the exact location as it currently
escapes me. The trap in Warp v4.52 and eCS v1.2.1 was very simillar I
believe.

For Warp v4.00 the trap was in the floppy driver. I upgraded
ibm1flpy.* from an old system I have hanging around and the trap has
simply moved slightly later in the boot process. (I can re-run the
whole thing and record the exact locations and traps if anyone thinks
they can help debug the problem.)

Anyone know the trick to getting some flavour (any!) of Warp v4+
installed in a recent VMWare environment?

Thanks,

Stephane Charette
(former author of DCITU for OS/2...)
Daniela Engert
2007-05-30 13:40:34 UTC
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Post by Stephane Charette
After many years away, I'd like to setup OS/2 on one of my systems to
play around. I have VMWare server 1.0.3 installed -- the latest free
version of VMWare. Host OS is Ubuntu 7.04 on one computer, and
Windows XP on a different computer. In both cases, I cannot get past
disk #2 (third disk) from my Warp 4 installation. I always get a trap
shortly after the bootup splash screen. I've now tried OS/2 Warp 4,
Warp 4.52, and eCS v1.2.1.
For eCS, the trap is in ibm1s506 or the Dani driver (depending on
which one I select from the eCS boot menu), or ...os2krnl I think?
I'd have to try again and record the exact location as it currently
escapes me. The trap in Warp v4.52 and eCS v1.2.1 was very simillar I
believe.
For Warp v4.00 the trap was in the floppy driver. I upgraded
ibm1flpy.* from an old system I have hanging around and the trap has
simply moved slightly later in the boot process. (I can re-run the
whole thing and record the exact locations and traps if anyone thinks
they can help debug the problem.)
Anyone know the trick to getting some flavour (any!) of Warp v4+
installed in a recent VMWare environment?
There's none. VMWare is the worst of all PC emulators that I know of
w.r.t. the completeness of the emulated environment. No matter what you
try, sooner or later you'll encounter some kind of segmentation error.
While other emulators are up to the task of keeping OS/2 happy, VMWare
just isn't good enough. Trust me, I've tried hardly to reach this goal
with VMWare Workstation 6.

Ciao,
Dani
Bob Plyler
2007-05-30 15:40:18 UTC
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Post by Stephane Charette
Anyone know the trick to getting some flavour (any!) of Warp v4+
installed in a recent VMWare environment?
For Windows, get VirtualPC from Microsoft. Also free, and
works well with OS/2.

For Linux, you could try VirtualBox
http://www.virtualbox.org

Bob Plyler
Jim Moe
2007-05-30 20:56:40 UTC
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For Linux, you could try VirtualBox
http://www.virtualbox.org
Their site says that "VT-x hardware virtualization support" is required.
Do you know which CPUs offer that?
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Kevin K
2007-05-31 00:24:36 UTC
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 20:56:40 UTC, Jim Moe
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Post by Bob Plyler
For Linux, you could try VirtualBox
http://www.virtualbox.org
Their site says that "VT-x hardware virtualization support" is required.
Do you know which CPUs offer that?
I believe, in general, the Intel Core Duo (and Core 2 Duo) will
support this, as well as appropriately modern AMD CPUs. My laptop has
this CPU, but the last time I checked it, it apparently was disabled.
BIOS? Windows?
Kevin K
2007-05-31 00:23:01 UTC
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:40:18 UTC, Bob Plyler
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Post by Stephane Charette
Anyone know the trick to getting some flavour (any!) of Warp v4+
installed in a recent VMWare environment?
For Windows, get VirtualPC from Microsoft. Also free, and
works well with OS/2.
For Linux, you could try VirtualBox
http://www.virtualbox.org
With VPC 2007, OS/2 additions are included that allow the cursor to
freely move in/out of the window without grabbing and releasing it. A
definate improvement. (At least with ECS 1.2).

I need to try one of the other emulators, sometime, with Linux as a
host to see if they have improved enough.
Trevor Hemsley
2007-06-02 17:28:42 UTC
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:40:18 UTC in comp.os.os2.bugs, Bob Plyler
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Post by Stephane Charette
Anyone know the trick to getting some flavour (any!) of Warp v4+
installed in a recent VMWare environment?
For Windows, get VirtualPC from Microsoft. Also free, and
works well with OS/2.
For Linux, you could try VirtualBox
http://www.virtualbox.org
Is the old Connectix VPC the only VM technology available to run a virtual PC on
OS/2 as the host o/s?
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Dave Yeo
2007-06-02 23:35:31 UTC
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:40:18 UTC in comp.os.os2.bugs, Bob Plyler
Post by Bob Plyler
Post by Stephane Charette
Anyone know the trick to getting some flavour (any!) of Warp v4+
installed in a recent VMWare environment?
For Windows, get VirtualPC from Microsoft. Also free, and
works well with OS/2.
For Linux, you could try VirtualBox
http://www.virtualbox.org
Is the old Connectix VPC the only VM technology available to run a virtual PC on
OS/2 as the host o/s?
There's Innoteks VirtualBox (virtualbox.org) though you have to build it
yourself (http://virtualbox.org/wiki/OS/2%20build%20instructions).
It is GPL though
Dave
Chuck McKinnis
2007-05-30 16:16:13 UTC
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 06:21:13 UTC, Stephane Charette
Post by Stephane Charette
After many years away, I'd like to setup OS/2 on one of my systems to
play around. I have VMWare server 1.0.3 installed -- the latest free
version of VMWare. Host OS is Ubuntu 7.04 on one computer, and
Windows XP on a different computer. In both cases, I cannot get past
disk #2 (third disk) from my Warp 4 installation. I always get a trap
shortly after the bootup splash screen. I've now tried OS/2 Warp 4,
Warp 4.52, and eCS v1.2.1.
For eCS, the trap is in ibm1s506 or the Dani driver (depending on
which one I select from the eCS boot menu), or ...os2krnl I think?
I'd have to try again and record the exact location as it currently
escapes me. The trap in Warp v4.52 and eCS v1.2.1 was very simillar I
believe.
For Warp v4.00 the trap was in the floppy driver. I upgraded
ibm1flpy.* from an old system I have hanging around and the trap has
simply moved slightly later in the boot process. (I can re-run the
whole thing and record the exact locations and traps if anyone thinks
they can help debug the problem.)
Anyone know the trick to getting some flavour (any!) of Warp v4+
installed in a recent VMWare environment?
Thanks,
Stephane Charette
(former author of DCITU for OS/2...)
I have eCS 1.2 refresh running under Parallels on both Debian and
Xandros.
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Michael Lueck
2007-05-31 15:25:26 UTC
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I have eCS 1.2 refresh running under Parallels on both Debian and
Xandros.
Parallels? "Google, here I come...!" ;-)
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Steve Wendt
2007-06-01 01:57:35 UTC
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I have eCS 1.2 refresh running under Parallels on both Debian and
Xandros.
Parallels? "Google, here I come...!" ;-)
Formerly known as twoOStwo, WarpVirtual, and SVista.
Ingo
2007-06-07 19:09:18 UTC
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I have eCS 1.2 refresh running under Parallels on both Debian and
Xandros.
Parallels? "Google, here I come...!" ;-)
Formerly known as twoOStwo, WarpVirtual, and SVista.
I am running here Parallels on openSUSE 10.2 and any flavour of OS/2
runs smoothly as a guest.
Unfortunately Parralels is not yet available for 64-bit (Ubuntu 7.04)

Therefore I am wondring if anybody successfully installed OS/2 in
VirtualBox, which just moved to 1.4.0?

Regards,
Ingo
Jan van Wijk
2007-06-09 10:09:23 UTC
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Parallels? "Google, here I come...!" ;-)
Formerly known as twoOStwo, WarpVirtual, and SVista.
Yes, and the same company that frustrated having SVISTA
developed further as an eCS hosted emulator ...

Their products are pretty good technically though :-)
I use Parallels on the MAC running eCS 1.2R as guest
with 1280x1024 virtual screen (panorame vesa driver).
Post by Ingo
I am running here Parallels on openSUSE 10.2 and any flavour of OS/2
runs smoothly as a guest.
Unfortunately Parralels is not yet available for 64-bit (Ubuntu 7.04)
Therefore I am wondring if anybody successfully installed OS/2 in
VirtualBox, which just moved to 1.4.0?
I will be looking into that, but using the MAC hosted version,
unfortunately that is still at BETA level. Not sure if I will play
with that or wait for a GA one ...

As much as I like the Parellels software, I would prefer
a solution from another vendor for political reasons :-)

I also liked VPC on OS2 very much, which was an Innotek
product just like VirtualBox is, so they know their business.

Regards, JvW
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Mat Nieuwenhoven
2007-06-13 04:19:49 UTC
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:09:18 +0200, Ingo wrote:

:>Steve Wendt schrieb:
:>> Michael Lueck wrote:
:>>
:>>> > I have eCS 1.2 refresh running under Parallels on both Debian and
:>>>> Xandros.
:>>>
:>>> Parallels? "Google, here I come...!" ;-)
:>>
:>> Formerly known as twoOStwo, WarpVirtual, and SVista.
:>
:>I am running here Parallels on openSUSE 10.2 and any flavour of OS/2
:>runs smoothly as a guest.
:>Unfortunately Parralels is not yet available for 64-bit (Ubuntu 7.04)
:>
:>Therefore I am wondring if anybody successfully installed OS/2 in
:>VirtualBox, which just moved to 1.4.0?

I tried with Virtualbox on XP to boot the eCS demo CD, but if aborts quite
quickly with the type of screen you see in popuplog.os2; unfortunately the VM
reboots then so quickly it is very hard to see where it failed, but the text
could be "resource..."

Mat Nieuwenhoven
Stefan Knodt
2007-06-13 23:38:54 UTC
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Therefore I am wondring if anybody successfully installed OS/2 in
VirtualBox, which just moved to 1.4.0?
Yes here

OS/2 4.50 runs on VirtualBox 1.3.8 on Windows XP

I updated to 1.4.0 but then OS/2 does not see the virtual HD.
Neither IBM nor DaniS driver detects a disc.
So I downgraded to 1.3.8.

2 Tips for installation:
1. OS/2 needs HardwareVirtualziation (Intel VT)
VirtualBox supports this but it is disabled.
To enable it you have to edit the Configfile of the Virtual Machine.
\.VirtualBox\Machines\[Maschinenname].xml
<HardwareVirtEx="true">

2. set the hpfs cache on the setup media to the maximum of 2048
Otherwise installation is very slow

regards Stefan

Michael Lueck
2007-06-01 12:28:18 UTC
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I have eCS 1.2 refresh running under Parallels on both Debian and
Xandros.
Parallels? "Google, here I come...!" ;-)
Most Impressive!!!

Can not seem to detect the Intel Pro100 with either the OS/2 or DOS NDIS driver, though. So in search of the RTL driver and see if their standard NIC works.

But I was able to restore my fully customized eCS 1.2R image, and it booted up. The free version of SNAP even came right up on what ever graphic chip they are emulating.

"I am done fighting with vmWare!!!"

Thanks!
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Chuck McKinnis
2007-06-01 19:18:27 UTC
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:28:18 UTC, Michael Lueck
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Post by Michael Lueck
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I have eCS 1.2 refresh running under Parallels on both Debian and
Xandros.
Parallels? "Google, here I come...!" ;-)
Most Impressive!!!
Can not seem to detect the Intel Pro100 with either the OS/2 or DOS NDIS driver, though. So in search of the RTL driver and see if their standard NIC works.
Use the bridged network option and the Realtek 8029 driver.
Post by Michael Lueck
But I was able to restore my fully customized eCS 1.2R image, and it booted up. The free version of SNAP even came right up on what ever graphic chip they are emulating.
"I am done fighting with vmWare!!!"
Thanks!
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Michael Lueck
2007-06-02 02:35:29 UTC
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Use the bridged network option and the Realtek 8029 driver.
Yes, I saw that the 8029 was the specific chip utilized. However...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=et&q=site%3Awww.realtek.com.tw+8029&btnG=Google+otsing&lr=

Certainly does not reveal anything very promising. I suppose I should check the Parallels web site.

None of the NIC's mentioned in the tech support are of that number.

I sure wish it had successfully been able to use the Pro100 NIC in the PC I installed it on. That would have been slick-O.

Anyway, onward...
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Michael Lueck
2007-06-02 02:59:50 UTC
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Anyway, onward...
I ended up finding the drivers. Google just did not see the page on their site.
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Chuck McKinnis
2007-06-02 17:04:34 UTC
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On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 02:35:29 UTC, Michael Lueck
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Use the bridged network option and the Realtek 8029 driver.
Yes, I saw that the 8029 was the specific chip utilized. However...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=et&q=site%3Awww.realtek.com.tw+8029&btnG=Google+otsing&lr=
Certainly does not reveal anything very promising. I suppose I should check the Parallels web site.
None of the NIC's mentioned in the tech support are of that number.
I sure wish it had successfully been able to use the Pro100 NIC in the PC I installed it on. That would have been slick-O.
Anyway, onward...
The 8029 driver shipped with eCS 1.2r works, or you can install from the
tools iso shipped with Parallels.
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